Do You Want To Be Donald Trump Or Steve Jobs? – The John King Interview
on Nov 14, 2008 - 10:00 AM PSTThe full program
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A few lessons from this program
Ever since I was a little kid, I wanted to be great and achieve great things. When I interviewed him, John King told me that's not enough. He's the co-author of Tribal Leadership, a book that says we have 5 stages of development--and "I'm great" is only stage 3.
Tribal Leadership's 5 stages:
Stage 1: Life Sucks - In this stage, a person thinks life itself is terrible and nothing can be done about it.
Example: People in in prison
Stage 2: My Life Sucks - In this stage, an employee knows that life can be better, feels frustrated because he can't get the better life--usually because of a stage 3 boss.
Example: Dilbert.
Stage 3: I'm Great - At this stage, the person feels that he achieved excellence--but also thinks that everyone else is less than great. Stage 3 bosses end up having stage 2 employees.
Example: Donald Trump
Stage 4: We're Great - People at this stage work together within an organization and put the good of the whole above the individual. They work together against a common outside foe.
Example: Steve Jobs
Stage 5: Life is Great - At this stage, there is no outside foe. Everyone works together for the improvement of mankind.
Example: The Wikipedia project
(You can also download the full audio book of Tribal Leadership from Zappos.)
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