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Andrew Warner: [00:00:00] This guy reached $570,000 in annual recurring revenue within a month of launching his idea. You see, he realized that he had a system for [00:00:09] getting his site to rank in ChatGPT, Google, and other discovery tools, so he offered it as a paid service. He signed up dozens of [00:00:18] clients, and then he let Claude do most of the work.
This is the kind of business that can really take off in an AI-driven world, so I asked my friend Josh Pigford to talk [00:00:27] about how it’s done. Let’s get into it. Presented by Zapier, the AI automation company. Josh, this is the tweet that made me just reach out to you [00:00:36] on text so many times to have you come on here.
You are up to… Is this still accurate, $474,000 in annual recurring revenue?
Josh Pigford: No, it’s about 100,000 [00:00:45] short now
Andrew Warner: What do you mean? Where is it?
Josh Pigford: I mean- It’s more … it’s at like 570,000 something now.
Andrew Warner: And this is an [00:00:54] idea that was in public a month ago.
Josh Pigford: Correct. So it– what was the– this is the first tweet. This was on a Friday at almost 5:00 [00:01:03] PM on September 25th, was what, like, kicked us off.
Um, so it hasn’t even been a month yet. And this-
Andrew Warner: Summarize this message. What was the offer that you made in that first tweet? [00:01:12]
Josh Pigford: Yeah. So it’s, um… I’ve been doing– Well, I mean, you know, I’ve been a entrepreneur for two decades, and so obviously I’ve done a lot of SEO stuff with [00:01:21] different businesses over the years.
So I had like, uh, sort of turned all of this SEO, uh, plus like AI mention tracking stuff, um, into this [00:01:30] whole system that I’ve been using on my own sites- Mm-hmm … for most of the year. And so I said like: “Hey, let me– I would love to do this for some other companies and just, like, see if there’s anything here.”
[00:01:39] Um, so that was a very much like I’m, like, wrapping up at work for the day- Uh-huh … about to go downstairs and, like, eat dinner with the family. And so I just, like, threw this [00:01:48] out and said, like: “1,000 bucks a month. Uh, you know, this all happens in Slack. Uh, shoot me a DM if you’re interested.” And, [00:01:57] um,
Andrew Warner: by the time I- And the offer is that when somebody is searching for them on OpenAI’s different chat apps, on Claude, et cetera, that you [00:02:06] will help them be the answer that those AI engines offer up, right?
Josh Pigford: Correct. That’s the, that’s the basic, like, value [00:02:15] proposition.
Andrew Warner: How can you do that? What’s the approach that you take? Because this is all so new and mysterious that nobody has an easy answer, do they?
Josh Pigford: [00:02:24] Sure. No, no. Like, anybody who’s promising rankings is, um, full of it. But, um, all this stuff is rooted in sort of good [00:02:33] SEO, which has, you know, been around for– since the beginning of the internet.
Um, and so at, at the foundation, it’s, it’s just good [00:02:42] SEO practices, and then we’re tracking all of both SEO and, uh, what would be called like AEO or GEO, um, [00:02:51] and making changes that address the ways that these different LLMs, uh, approach finding information and gearing it towards [00:03:00] them, uh, and then tracking what works, what doesn’t, and then adjusting.
So this isn’t like a one-and-done thing. This is like every single day we’re making tweaks to, to your [00:03:09] content and deciding what’s, um, sort of most important to do in a given day.
Andrew Warner: When you say we, how many people are on the team doing this? [00:03:18]
Josh Pigford: Me and a, and a bunch of, uh, AI, uh, bots
Andrew Warner: What’s the AI that you’re using [00:03:27] to run it?
What’s the overall approach?
Josh Pigford: Yeah, so it’s Claude at, at the foundation. Like that’s, that’s, um, for, for pretty much [00:03:36] everything. There’s a little bit of like, um, GPT sprinkled in, um, around some like image generation stuff when that’s required, but that’s, that’s– [00:03:45] even that’s pretty rare. So it’s, it’s basically Claude Opus, uh, uh, uh, at pretty much every step.
Um, and- [00:03:54]
Andrew Warner: Okay. How do you keep them separated, all these different clients? Is it different Claude chats? Is it something else?
Josh Pigford: Is it a- Yeah. So it’s, they are all from a technical perspective, [00:04:03] very siloed. So there’s not this bleed between clients. There’s, uh, they’ve each got their own, um… So we, we operate through GitHub rep-repos.
[00:04:12] Um, so both their own, and then we also have our own versions that’s, uh, or, or sort of instances that we’re tracking all this stuff so that, again, like [00:04:21] there’s no bleed between, um, files or anything like that. And then there’s different sessions with, with Claude to, to do each task. [00:04:30] Uh, so there’s no like context bleed or anything like that.
Got it.
Andrew Warner: What do you keep in a repo in GitHub for each client to make sure that you’re organized with them?
Josh Pigford: Yeah. So that’s a lot of [00:04:39] its data is the, you know, it’s both, um, what would be like a work log, like, “Here are the things that we did. Here’s all of the research that we’re, we’ve done.” So when you produce an [00:04:48] article, we might go find 100 different pieces of content to use as reference for, um, for producing that content.
So we’re like, we’re, we’re [00:04:57] saving all of that. Uh, it’s a Google Search Console for different numbers. It’s us doing actual calls to ChatGPT, um, to [00:05:06] track, uh, you know, different ways that people could be looking for what you’re solving, not just looking for your company, but looking for, you know, [00:05:15] the, the specific thing that your company does and see if you come up for that, and then tracking if you get mentioned or not.
Like all that kind of stuff. There’s just, uh, it’s a massive amount of [00:05:24] data per client that we’re tracking.
Andrew Warner: All stored in there. And what’s your approach? Is it to get them on Reddit? Is it to create YouTube videos for them? Is it just on-site [00:05:33] content? And then we’ll talk about the tools that you use to keep track of it.
Josh Pigford: Yeah. So it’s, um, it’s kind of a mix of everything. We don’t do… Well, so we do some [00:05:42] outreach via email, like, you know, sort of what would be considered, um, link building. Not just, like, asking for links, but, um, a lot of it’s, [00:05:51] like, correcting information that somebody might have posted about your company so that, uh, LLMs are, um, repeating correct data.
[00:06:00] Um, but most of it is on-site, um, optimization kind of stuff. The, the, the kind of Reddit stuff I think is mostly [00:06:09] shady, scammy. It’s gonna get you… Uh, I think it’s a short-term, um, play that’s gonna burn you in the long run. Um, [00:06:18] so we’re, we’re focused on sort of these, like, the long, sort of slow-moving bits that, uh, sort of pay off in the long run.
Andrew Warner: Interesting. I, I’ve gotta say, I’ve [00:06:27] actually talked to multiple companies that are very big on saying that Reddit and YouTube is a big source for content for LLMs, and they’re active on [00:06:36] both platforms. And they’re not doing anything shady. They’re using their own accounts, but they are filling in answers.
They’re asking questions that lead to the kinds of answers that they want. [00:06:45] But you’re not there.
Josh Pigford: I, I think that, I think that most people are, uh, giving a very polished view of what they’re doing. I [00:06:54] don’t think, um, I, I think most of the people who are doing that at a scale level, like, you know, companies that say that they do Reddit marketing for you- Mm-hmm
uh, [00:07:03] is, uh, shady as hell. So I have, I have, uh, I have a very low, um, amount of respect for any of that kind of- Because what are they doing that’s so [00:07:12] shady?
Andrew Warner: What’s the bad thing that they’re doing?
Josh Pigford: They’re using, um, basically, like, I– It’s, it’s the epitome to me of, um, like, the dead internet [00:07:21] theory. So, like, maybe they’re not automating responses, but they’re using AI to fake community, and I think, I think that’s, [00:07:30] uh-
Andrew Warner: I see.
Okay …
Josh Pigford: I think that’s, that’s lowbrow.
Andrew Warner: Okay. So how do you know what content to write for each [00:07:39] client?
Josh Pigford: Yeah. So this is– There’s a, an onboarding process where we both ingest all the stuff that we can find from your own site, from your own help [00:07:48] docs. Uh, we also ask, uh, you know, a ton of questions just to learn more about both where you’re at, um, where you’re, where you’ve been, and then sort of where you wanna go [00:07:57] with the company and, like, who your competitors are, features, all sorts of stuff.
Uh, and then we use that… You know, the tone that you wanna take when you’re talking [00:08:06] to your potential customers, uh, and all of that gets rolled up into, you know, essentially these, like, research documents, um, that we use for reference [00:08:15] when producing content. But-
Andrew Warner: You know, in the old days, people would have SOPs, uh, what is it?
Standard operating procedures for stuff like this. Yep. Today, it’s skills. Is [00:08:24] that what you have? A skill that then guides you to asking questions, a skill that then guides you to creating the content? Is that, is that right?
Josh Pigford: Yeah. That’s, uh… So there’s, [00:08:33] there’s certainly a lot of skills. There’s also a lot of, um, I mean, really Python ultimately.
I mean, there’s a ton of code that happens in the background to make this [00:08:42] stuff repeatable. Um, you know, the, the pros and cons of an LLM is it’s, it’s, it’s sort of non-deterministic, meaning like, you know, you run it 10 [00:08:51] times, you’re gonna get 10 different outcomes basically. So we use a lot of code to help make that a little bit more, um, [00:09:00] reliable or repeatable.
Um, but a lot of that is, is sort of these very specific skills for, for doing different tasks. Yeah.
Andrew Warner: Like [00:09:09] what? Onboarding, I’m assuming, is a skill with a set of questions that you need answered. Mm-hmm.
Josh Pigford: S- And there’s a lot of this stuff is also, uh, systems [00:09:18] Like operational stuff, which I, I’ve kind of find fascinating about all this is like, okay, well, if I’ve got a few dozen clients, I’m, I’m [00:09:27] personally having to repeat a lot of this stuff.
Uh, so I’ve got skills for like setting up new clients where it’s, it, you know, creates all the Notion documents [00:09:36] and fills all of them out with the s- the, the things that I need from them. It’s, um, reaching out to them when we’ve got some new piece of content that we need [00:09:45] them to review. It’s automating the like, “Okay, we’re gonna produce this piece of content, but I need some clarifications on like the way that your app works.”
So it’ll [00:09:54] automatically post something in Slack that for them to respond to, and then ingesting all of their responses so that I can keep track of all the, you know, hundred different places that they could [00:10:03] respond in Slack or in Notion, and I have all that in one place so I can manage all that stuff. So there’s, there’s a lot of just like operational stuff that happens there.[00:10:12]
Andrew Warner: And all those triggers are happening on what? In the terminal, the, or Claude Code desktop app or something? How are you keeping track of it all?
Josh Pigford: [00:10:21] Uh, ye- so it’s the, the sort of main tools that I’m using here are Slack, Notion, and then through Claude Code via, via terminal. [00:10:30] Um, there’s a few things that happen with APIs to make Slack and Notion talk to each other.
Um- Mm-hmm … and that’s like th- these tiny little apps that I have on [00:10:39] Cloudflare- Mm-hmm … uh, hosted there. Um- That you made … but for the most part it… Correct. Uh, and then, you know, at the end of the day, it’s all running on like a, a [00:10:48] Mac Mini here in, in my office.
Andrew Warner: So wait, the trigger that says, “We need a new article for this client,” is a Notion doc?
Josh Pigford: Ne– [00:10:57] well, uh, so the trigger is multiple times a day, I have basically, uh, a Python script that says, “Kick [00:11:06] off all of these different tasks for each client.” What, what happens, though, is it’s different for every client based on what our system has decided [00:11:15] is most impactful. Mm-hmm. So that varies. That could, that could be, uh, you know, an outreach email to fix something that somebody wrote about you.
[00:11:24] Uh, it could be a mini tool that we’re going– we’re gonna build for you on your site. It could be changing a headline within one article. It could be writing a new [00:11:33] article. Like, it could be one of dozens of things, but it decides based on data from Google Search Console, et cetera, and it, it decides what’s [00:11:42] likely most impactful, and then it goes- I see …and does it.
Andrew Warner: So you’ve got an automation that checks Google Search Console for each client- Yep …that then based on [00:11:51] your set of, uh, on your approach, says what you should do today for each of these clients. You then trigger a message to [00:12:00] them on Slack based on that, if you need an article, if you need something, or you just write the article yourself and publish to their site.
Josh Pigford: Correct.
Andrew Warner: I [00:12:09] see. Okay. This is an interesting way of doing it. Now, you and I talked last about how you were setting Hermes Agent up and trying to figure out what LLM to add [00:12:18] to it, and I’m surprised that you wouldn’t use Hermes Agent or GroqBot or Hyper Agent or any one of these tools to say, “Each one of my clients has an agent, [00:12:27] and the agent is managing them according to our process.”
Why do you prefer to do it this way?
Josh Pigford: Uh, I’ve essentially built my own version of those. So, you know, [00:12:36] it’s, it’s sort of, um… My problem, I guess, with like Hermes or, uh, you know, OpenClaw or whatever, is there’s a [00:12:45] lot of bloat that I just don’t need. And so, uh, you know, at, at the end of the day, I would be fixing problems with those versus just building what I need.
So [00:12:54] I’ve just built this system to run this specific business. Um, and, and so I can be, I can move a lot faster than having to kinda like work within the confines of [00:13:03] someone else’s system.
Andrew Warner: And when you started it off, how did… What did, what existed before you built your ver- your version of Hermes Agent?
Josh Pigford: Uh, nothing.
I [00:13:12] mean, this was… It, it did start as like a single SEO skill that I… Like that was, that was at the root of it. Um, and then I just sort of, it just kept expanding, um, [00:13:21] past that to get a, a, a lot more-
Andrew Warner: Got it. So in the beginning, it was a skill handling all your te- your, your approaches for yourself. Great. Then you added another client, still using the [00:13:30] skill.
Then you started to find little things that needed to happen, and you started building on top of it. And then at some point, it sounds like the, uh, lack of predictability of, of, [00:13:39] of an AI model made you decide you needed to start writing code. What are some of the things that you said, “I cannot leave this to chance.
I know that AI is a [00:13:48] probabilistic machine, and it’s good, but probably it’s gonna make mistakes.” What are some of the things that you turned to code because of that?
Josh Pigford: Yeah. So there’s a lot of, um, checking [00:13:57] for the validity of statements made. So making sure like we’ve, you know, for every client, we’ve essentially got a, like a truth [00:14:06] document.
So here are facts about, uh, the company and what they offer. So using code to make sure that numbers stay accurate or [00:14:15] correct across, you know, a thousand articles. Um, it’s making sure that, um, we don’t use too many links in a, [00:14:24] in a given article, so counting the number of links. Um, i- it’s, it’s bug fixing because like, you know, we’re actually coding here on like if we build this [00:14:33] like a calculator for something for some client, uh, we need to actually run code on the machine to, to basically run [00:14:42] tests for it and build all the code and make sure it works.
So, um, there’s a lot of moving pieces there.
Andrew Warner: Can I see the site itself? It’s pretty bare bones. When I was [00:14:51] looking at it with my agent, my agent said, “There’s not much here.” Even the button- Not much here … to get started took, took the agent to your email.
Josh Pigford: Yeah. It [00:15:00] just sends me a, it’s a, it’s a little f- form here that just sends me an email.
Yeah.
Andrew Warner: That’s it.
Josh Pigford: That’s it.
Andrew Warner: By the way, on
Josh Pigford: the- So I think-
Andrew Warner: Uh-huh. [00:15:09] Go ahead.
Josh Pigford: I, I think like long term, um, it would make sense for me to like build this thing out to, to have this sort of major, [00:15:18] um, you know, SEO AI presence. Uh, at the moment, I’m too busy making money though, so I don’t, I don’t [00:15:27] necessarily need to, to do a, a, a really elaborate site at the moment.
Andrew Warner: You know, the other tab that you have open is one of the tools that you [00:15:36] use. Can you click over? Oh, yeah. Tell me how you use it. What is this?
Josh Pigford: Yeah. Um, so Data for SEO, this is anybody who’s like dabbled in SEO, uh, certainly from [00:15:45] an, uh, programmatic perspective is familiar with them. Mm-hmm. Um, it, it looks very dated.
It probably has been the same [00:15:54] design for who knows how long, but- They prefer making money to building sites … it has a massive… That, it’s, it’s exactly what it is, right? So they’re, they’re rolling in it. So- Mm-hmm … um, it’s basically an [00:16:03] alternative to something, you know… There’s lots of different SEO tools that people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for to get data access to [00:16:12] Google rankings and things like that, and this just gives you very inexpensive, uh, access to, to those tools.
Andrew Warner: How [00:16:21] much is it cons- like roughly- Um- … for all the client… How many clients do you have, and how much are you paying for this data?
Josh Pigford: So I think we’re, uh, 30 clients right now, and I spend [00:16:30] maybe $100 a week.
Andrew Warner: On all the data. Versus- Yeah … if you’re using Ahrefs or
Josh Pigford: another one. I would be [00:16:39] spending many thousands.
Andrew Warner: Wow.
Josh Pigford: Yeah.
Andrew Warner: This is incredible. I mean, really within a month you’re at over half a million dollars in annual recurring [00:16:48] revenue. You could potentially end up with a multi-million dollar business here that’s run by just you and Claude, and a set of skills and [00:16:57] tools that you’re building yourself.
Josh Pigford: That’s the hope.
Andrew Warner: What’s the big takeaway for this for somebody who’s listening into this?
Josh Pigford: So I, I [00:17:06] think that I’ve, um, where I’ve found myself going in sort of the entrepreneurial side of things, you know, as someone who’s just, um, builds [00:17:15] too many things and, and like, you know, I’ve got 100 random projects going at any given time.
Um, in a, in, in a world where like [00:17:24] anybody can build software quickly now, um, using AI for these sort [00:17:33] of to, to make humans more efficient versus replacing, um… Like [00:17:42] I think what’s valuable about First Index and what I’m offering is like it’s a thing that people want to have done for them and they don’t wanna think about it.
So it’s just like done for [00:17:51] you kind of agency services kind of component. So focusing on automating that kind of stuff, like [00:18:00] stuff that still needs a human in the loop, um, and makes me more efficient and where otherwise it would’ve taken a, a team [00:18:09] of 10 to do this, uh, is sort of some low-hanging fruit at the moment.
Um, so like I also do this with, uh, another business I have called Knockoff, which is [00:18:18] finding, you know, people who are copycat kind of stealing people’s images, s- uh, e-commerce sites, um, using their [00:18:27] brand to try to phish people, like that kind of stuff. There are these takedown processes that you can do across Amazon, Walmart, [00:18:36] whatever.
Uh, but they’re very sort of time intensive to, to, to, to do this. But I can use AI to heavily automate the process, [00:18:45] um, for companies. So then companies pay 800 bucks a month for that.
Andrew Warner: That’s the model behind Knockoff? Knockoff is this browser plugin that lets you know if you’re on [00:18:54] Amazon, um, if what you’re looking at is a junky knockoff that’s not gonna work within a few weeks versus the original.
Um, and I know you were looking [00:19:03] for a business model once you created this tool. That’s the model you came up with. The question I have on that is, can’t somebody just say, “You know, I, I see that there’s a process [00:19:12] here. I’m gonna give it to Claude or give it to one of these agent tools and tell it, ‘Go figure this out for me.'”
Josh Pigford: S- you would think that, but no. So [00:19:21] most of these have, um… There’s a lot of legal documents involved. Um, there’s lots of… Most of these tools have their, [00:19:30] um, diabolically opposed to, uh, uh, automated processes like, you know, an, an automated browser going in and trying to [00:19:39] fi- fill this stuff out for you. Like you don’t get blocked instantly.
Um, and you’re making legal statements. Uh, so [00:19:48] Having AI basically make a legal declaration on your behalf, um, is pretty risky. Um, and it’s also ripe [00:19:57] for missing st- stuff. So, or, like doing it incorrectly.
Andrew Warner: So how do you solve that? How, uh, if, if it’s a one-man operation, how do you, how do you get to make the declarations for people?[00:20:06]
Josh Pigford: The, so they sign… Uh, I basically am a registered agent, so, uh, they, they sign an agreement for me to operate on their behalf. Um- But
Andrew Warner: isn’t it [00:20:15] your agent that’s doing it? So then ultimately, aren’t
Josh Pigford: we back to now AI doing it? No, no, no. It’s still… It– No. So it’s me, um, filling out the form, [00:20:24] but I’ve got… What I have AI do is collect…
You have to put together, in the same way that you have if like a- Mm-hmm … if you have a chargeback and you’re trying to prove that the chargeback is [00:20:33] illegitimate for your, for your company, you have to put together a package basically proving that this was a legitimate customer. We’re using AI to basically create the entire [00:20:42] takedown package.
Mm-hmm. Uh, assembling the images, writing all the, the legal jargon to do this, and then using… And then I go in and click the buttons [00:20:51] to submit all the data
Andrew Warner: I see. So your vision is AI companies that require human in the loop [00:21:00] just make that human much more efficient, and what you do is you’re looking around and saying, “What do I as a business owner do already?
And maybe I already have these skills built up for [00:21:09] myself. How do I sell them?” And you make an offer on Twitter. Let me see your site again just so we have that up on the screen while we do it. Or what do I see that’s necessary for others, and I [00:21:18] will be the human in the loop that has all this automation designed to make my work super easy, and all I have to do is the human part.
That’s the [00:21:27] model that we need to follow from this.
Josh Pigford: Correct. And I think, like, where people get caught up on is they think that AI is the selling point, and in some cases it is. But, you know, in this [00:21:36] case, with First Index and with Knockoff, the people who are paying kind of don’t give a rip that AI is involved.
Mm-hmm. It’s– Because they just want the problem solved. Mm-hmm. [00:21:45] There, there’s no– For, for both of those, there’s not really any UI. There’s not some, like, fancy app for them- Mm-hmm … to be involved in. They set it [00:21:54] up, and then, like, they might get a report, um, that gives them some information or an update. But, like, they don’t wanna interact with my tools.
Like, [00:22:03] they want the, they want the thing done and their business to keep growing, and they can focus on what they’re good at,
Andrew Warner: which I- Well, Josh, why can’t First Index, for example, just be a [00:22:12] fully software-as-a-service business where people sign up and then the whole thing is automated? What do they we– what do they need you for?
Josh Pigford: Because they still– [00:22:21] The, there’s the, there’s judgment calls, which I do think can eventually be automated, but I d- like, there again, that goes back to the software side of things- Mm-hmm … where, uh, I don’t– [00:22:30] people don’t want to be involved. Like, a developer doesn’t want to have to go and, like, build a mini tool or whatever- Mm-hmm
or they, they want to just [00:22:39] continue about building the product, and then all the marketing stuff gets done for them- Okay … um, essentially.
Andrew Warner: Yeah. All right. And finally, what other software are you using? What are you using to keep track [00:22:48] of your clients’ results in LLM answers and, and other tools?
Josh Pigford: That’s, that’s, that’s saved in Notion
Andrew Warner: Because you have Claude [00:22:57] go and ask chatGPT a question and then save the answer in Notion to see where, where they’re showing?
Josh Pigford: Essentially, yeah. So like, it– Notion is just the database, [00:23:06] um, plus some like files and, and GitHub for sort of saving it and like logging it. But
Andrew Warner: you personally or your agent is going in and asking the questions on behalf of your [00:23:15] clients’ users- Oh, yeah … and then storing where the answers are and then watching if it rises up.
Josh Pigford: Correct.
Andrew Warner: But then don’t you need to like have it in different IP [00:23:24] addresses or different users or anything like that? Isn’t that why people use those tools, those third-party tools?
Josh Pigford: Y-yeah. So there’s a little bit of like secret sauce there on like [00:23:33] pulling that off. But like at the end of the day, yes, there’s– you’re correct on what you’re saying, but I am also pulling it off.
Andrew Warner: So- But you’re building it, your, your own [00:23:42] version of it. I cannot believe you’re using Notion- That’s right … as a database for, for AEO. That’s unreal.
Josh Pigford: Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Warner: That makes me feel so much better about my Notion [00:23:51] database usage. I, well, like- I just store everything in there …
Josh Pigford: there’s so much stuff that, y-you know, there– people have a tendency to want to overcomplicate things.
And, [00:24:00] uh, at the end of the day, like I’m, I’m building something that solves a problem, and- Mm-hmm … it kinda doesn’t matter what the tools are, es-certainly at this stage. Um, you know, uh- [00:24:09] Okay … it’ll get cleaner as we go, but right now it’s, it’s fine being a little bit messy.
Andrew Warner: Really impressive. All right, I love that you have the .com, firstindex.com.
By the way, when you talked about how [00:24:18] AI is a prediction machine and at some point you need to shift to code, I don’t write my own code for things like this, but I come across these problems all the time. My solution is to use my [00:24:27] sponsor, and if you’re listening to this, you should see my video that I did with Wade, the founder of Zapier, where he said, “Listen, I recognize that this is an issue.
Things end up going to [00:24:36] LLMs that really should be set in code. Most people don’t wanna write their own code. That’s what the next gen Zaps from Zapier will do.” He has examples of it. I’ve got a link to the [00:24:45] next gen Zaps from Zapier if you want Zapier to handle the code for you. In fact, Josh, I have a whole Groq bot whose whole mission is every day look at what all the other bots are [00:24:54] doing and then see if any of it should be turned into code, and then s- put it on Groq bots, uh, put it on Zapier so that I don’t pay money to Groq anymore.
[00:25:03] I just published how much I spend at every, every month on software, and people said, “Why do you have all these lines for, for Cursor?” It’s because my agents keep running out of tokens, and I have to keep… You know. [00:25:12] So my solution is to move more of it into code. And if you want that, that, uh, video is right here up on the screen, and I’ll see you in that video next.
