Andrew: Hey there, freedom fighters. My name is Andrew Warner. I’m the founder of Mixergy where I interview entrepreneurs about how they built their businesses. And truthfully, when I was told that I could have today’s guests on, I was excited because he is the creator of the Knitting Factory, which, as a guy growing up in New York City, I knew about the Knitting Factory. It was this big event space that the cool kids went when I was growing up, they went to on the weekends. It was a place that you talked about. It was a place that . . . Oh, it is. It’s still is a place that has great bands, great vibe, great reputation, and that’s why I wanted to have today’s guest on. I want to understand how Michael Dorf built this up.
And I kind of thought at the end of the interview, I’d asked him a little bit about this thing, City Winery. I thought, “All right, another guy who made it, who decided he’s going to get into wine, and...